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Post by Jacqui on Aug 9, 2011 12:39:49 GMT
I'm sure you have all been watching the news on TV of all these riots in the UK, I was working 10 minutes away from the ones taking place on Friday in Tottenham, I was in Edmonton just a short drive, up the road, people were coming into the pub and they could not get home because the roads were all closed.
Just a few weeks ago on a Friday night, I was working right where the riots were taking place, that pub has not been able to open since, the landlord was trapped there all night, and could not get out.
I had got caught in the traffic getting there and initially thought it was a delay because there had been a football match playing at home in Tottenham late in the afternoon, little did I know what was taking place up the road.
I'm back up in London again this tomorrow and again this weekend, fairly worrying, the whole thing seems to have got completely out of hand, I feel so very sorry for all the poor Innocent and hard working people that are being affected by all of this, I'm not sure what the answer is and how the Police are going to put and end to it, I think the way policing is done may have to change from the softly softly approach in this country to the way things are done in America and other countries.
Let's hope it all calms down soon before many people get hurt or even killed.
Jacqui
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Post by frankie on Aug 9, 2011 12:52:12 GMT
On TV news it showed 7 year olds looting. Parents should be jailed if they let kids roam streets in the early hours.
No discipiine at home or school due to PC.
Solo parents having kids so they can live off nanny state.
Bring back Alf Garnett.
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Post by shanless on Aug 9, 2011 13:17:01 GMT
Jacqui wrote..I think the way policing is done may have to change from the softly softly approach in this country to the way things are done in America and other countries.
other countries like N Ireland... which the government say is part of the UK but who 'police' it differently....
Speaking on BBC Breakfast, Mrs May appeared to rule out bringing in the Army and using water cannon, saying: "The way we police is by consent." ......what the h*ll does that mean??.. we had both on our streets on the first night of recent violence in N.Ireland...you are right Jacqui...to bloody soft
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Post by frankie on Aug 9, 2011 13:32:05 GMT
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Post by oliver101 on Aug 9, 2011 14:51:57 GMT
What the government of this country should do is to stop letting the rule of the mob take hold and show them who is in charge. We are too bloody soft, we always have been and until we wake up to the fact, this wonderful country of ours will always be susceptable to these louts. In a way I hope these riots will make the British people stand together and voice to the people that run this country that enough is enough. 99.9 % of the people in Britain are good law abiding people and want nothing to do with these scum.
Apparently all the cells in London police stations are now full, but once the louts are put before the Courts all they will get will be a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again. Its about time we handed out decent punishments that fit the crimes. Lets see what happens tonight, I certainly wouldn't be complaining if the water cannon and taser guns were used.
Ian
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Post by geordiebennett on Aug 9, 2011 19:49:25 GMT
I'm English but I lived in N Ireland all through the troubles,they weren't a bit slow using rubber bullets and water cannons there so why not in England.I really fear for England and I think it's gone beyond recall.I read in the paper the other day that seventy % are unhappy with the way things are in England,so why aren't they voting and protesting to get things back to what it should be and get rid of the PC brigade.
Geordie
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Post by doricvision on Aug 9, 2011 21:28:58 GMT
This starts and ends with Parents abdicating their responsibilities .Where are the parents of these kiddie looters ?
Part of me also thinks that there is also frustration by these lowlifes ,who see Bankers and Politicians pocketing huge amounts of the Publics money, Policemen accepting bribes etc, and not really being held to account so why not them,.
Just my tuppence worth
Bigmike
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Post by weegeo on Aug 9, 2011 22:49:15 GMT
Wow that was a sweeping statement there Mike!! whilst i would agree in principle with some of what you have said i can`t go along with it all.
Not all the looters where 7 years of age infact the news coverage we had here showed it was mostly teenagers and up,it`s easy to `blame` the parents for all this BUT what about the schooling that the kids are getting,they are advised from a very early age about their human rights and so on and have very little respect for the law never mind their parents:the solution to the younger kids for me is quite easy bring back the cane in schools and once again take control in the classrooms.
The older people involved are relatively easy to handle!! as has been said over here in N.Ireland at the first sign of trouble the police bring out the water cannons and rubber bullets and the police have dedicated snatch squads that rush and take out the leaders involved but i haven`t seen anything like that so far on the mainland and thats a shame.The real problem comes when or if anyone is taken to court if it goes as many other court cases have gone in England then it will be probation or community service how does this help the shopkeeper or the residents that have been looted or burnt out.I think it`s a sad situation that the police on the mainland seem lost as to how to solve this mad act/s. I don`t want to turn this into a political debate but if had been over here the army would now be on the streets and a curfew in place unfortunately no one has the balls to call them out
I wish everyone safe over there specially our good friend Jacqui please stay safe.
weegeo
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Post by frankie on Aug 9, 2011 23:18:34 GMT
When I was a kid in Hampshire we were all scarred of the village bobby.Got your butt kicked for scrumping. School teachers were allowed to cane and give detention. Government had a holiday course called conscription. Noddy was not PC. Welfare payments were hardly given out. Teenage pregnancy was hushed up and baby's adopted out. Mums stayed home and raised kids. Is this old fashioned or did we all grow up to be responsible adults  |
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Post by shyamwestwind on Aug 10, 2011 7:05:37 GMT
Really saddening ............... couldnt believe all this happening in the U.K. I hope and pray calm and peace returns soon . Keep safe.
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Post by ziggy on Aug 10, 2011 9:58:24 GMT
We need tougher action.....water cannon, baton rounds, tasers, & tougher penalties. Parents need to be able to correct their kids without fear of being hauled up in court themselves (don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of needless beatings or child abuse). The police need to be able to take a harder line, but they have to be careful, if you were in their situation, in the thick of it, it might be easy to get carried away yourself, so they need the right training. This may be the difference with the police in NI.
On a lighter note, it might be a good idea to drop a certain Kaiser Chiefs song from your program for a while!
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Post by weegeo on Aug 10, 2011 11:07:10 GMT
Over here in N.Ireland we have a brilliant police force now they take no crap and when they strike they strike hard Government should second a load of them over to take control
weegeo
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Post by ziggy on Aug 10, 2011 17:51:30 GMT
That's my point, George, I think maybe your police are better prepared.
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Post by doricvision on Aug 10, 2011 20:16:14 GMT
George I have to wholly agree with your observations and solutions after sifting thro more of the reports and studying footage ,you are spot on mate. I listened to an ex gang member being interviewed this morning and he was saying that these gangs already existed long before this trouble started and the police did nothing to disband them ,in fact he said that the police held no fear for them. he said it was only a matter of time before these gangs would stop fighting each other and realise that if they got together in numbers they could be an unstoppable force and all they needed was an excuse to take to the streets. The British approach of ''consent '' policing is laughable if wasn't such a serious situation.Bring in your N.I. approach to the streets ,water cannons Army etc and also like Frank says bring back discipline to the classroom. The trouble nowadays is that these Euro do goodies can't define between discipline and abuse and as for David Cameron ,does he still want to, [ and I quote from his pre election chatterings] ''Lets all hug a hoodie''Poor judgement once again David woh I need a lie down Bigmike |
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Post by kemo on Aug 10, 2011 20:20:14 GMT
Over here in N.Ireland we have a brilliant police force now they take no crap and when they strike they strike hard Government should second a load of them over to take control
weegeoI think a lot of the praise here in N.Ireland is down to community support help aswell as very good policing. I know from my community there are people willing to volunteer to help keep youths of the streets in different social activities etc. These are people who are not geting the fat cheques that members of Parliment are. I hope and pray this criminal damage stops immediately especially for the people in affected areas... Parents need to stand up and be counted for there childrens whereabouts at all times. Some children nowadays do not know the value of life itself... |
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