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Post by sweeney on Apr 9, 2009 9:43:19 GMT
Man U fans! Is it over?? Has Sir Alex mouth finaly got him into something he will find hard to escape from?? Has he lost it?? Is he getting too long in the tooth for the job?? Is Ronaldo the clown Dumphy says he is?? Didn't read many posts after Tuesday night!!  Worrying Times............Gerry. |
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Post by kemo on Apr 9, 2009 9:52:01 GMT
Hi ya Gerry, how many times have we all made statements that do echo what you have just said, and how many times has SAF proved us all wrong. I cannot fault the man, through bad and good I will support his decisions that he makes. Still think that we are in a very good position to both qualify for the next round of the CL and also to pip Liverpool and Chelsea to the League. It's times like now that champions produce. We have been very shaky in the games after the Liverpool defeat, this is normal as they priduced a masterclass against us at OT. We need to get the heads up and start playing the football we know we can. Ronaldo will honour his contract at United, at least while SAF is in charge, he is a quality player but needs to stop moaning and get on with playing the game he loves. Anyone see Messi last night? That kid is on a different planet to any other player in world football. He has every attribute of greats like pele, Best and Maradona. I Love watching him play, another few weeks will decide a lot. Looking forward to the banter that we will have between now and then.
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Post by weegeo on Apr 9, 2009 11:25:51 GMT
I wonder how Mr Benitz is feeling this morning!!only yesterday he was saying how teams where frightened of facing Liverpool now lol well methinks he should be reminded of that old saying `1 swallow does not a summer make` lol He should also remember it`s not nice to wave a red shirt in the face of the Chelsea bulls They were taken apart last night and Chelsea have now showed all the other teams how to beat them so if there was any `fear`it must surely now be gone Essien man marked Gerrard right out of the game and the team just didn`t play, it was a brilliant game and i think the score could have been greater, the Campbell home is now quite quiet except for me lol lol
As for United i think they have succumbed to the `old porto`curse but i hope they can pull it off i think they deserve to be in the final,as for teh young lad Messi i think i would like to see how he performs over a much longer span of games no doubt his goal was class, but to compare him with Pele, Maradonna and even think of putting him in Bests class is a bit presumptious at this early stage but he played well but can he stay long term who knows.
weegeo------------------handing the sports mic back over to tubbs
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Post by sweeney on Apr 9, 2009 12:41:06 GMT
I agree Kemo. Alex Ferguson is the greatest football manager that ever lived. That statment goes without saying and comes from a Gunner's fan. I wish at times he would go away and give the rest of us morsel awaiting second bests a chance. Alex Ferguson and no one else brought Old Trafford the success it has enjoyed for these past decade+ years...But,, I really think this time they are in trouble. I have never seen such blatant complacency tolerated at united before and for so long.... Maybe I am reading this whole thing wrong. Time will tell...............Gerry.
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Post by Tubbs on Apr 9, 2009 18:55:16 GMT
Bearing in mind the money Man U have you are way off the mark saying ferguson is the best sweeney...so with this in mind i would have to say the great Bob Paisley was the best manager in the English league. Sorry Kieran mate....but comparing Messi to the likes of Pele and Best at the moment is like Rolf Harris to Rembrandt....a great player but he's not good enough to be out on a par with them yet. A foolish man would write Man U off at the moment....but its clear something is not right in the camp. As for Benitez....i think Hiddink showed him a lesson in how to be a proper manager last night. Arsenal are hitting a bit of form too, they could surprise all. Tubbs............giving the mic back to weegeo and hoping some rich Arab buys Leeds Utd.  |
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Post by kemo on Apr 9, 2009 20:27:26 GMT
Bearing in mind the money Man U have you are way off the mark saying ferguson is the best sweeney...so with this in mind i would have to say the great Bob Paisley was the best manager in the English league. Sorry Kieran mate....but comparing Messi to the likes of Pele and Best at the moment is like Rolf Harris to Rembrandt....a great player but he's not good enough to be out on a par with them yet. A foolish man would write Man U off at the moment....but its clear something is not right in the camp. As for Benitez....i think Hiddink showed him a lesson in how to be a proper manager last night. Arsenal are hitting a bit of form too, they could surprise all. Tubbs............giving the mic back to weegeo and hoping some rich Arab buys Leeds Utd. I think lads that we could be looking at the best footballer ever in years to come. What age is he? 20, Was second to Ronaldo for the world Player of the year last year and will win it this year easily. what will he not be like in 6 years? He just is a natural footballer, born with a ball stuck to his foot. I know that he has a lot to achieve with the legends that I mentioned but I think he can equal if not surpass them if he keeps going the way that he is . Terrific talent. Don't forget you heard it here first at MH ;D |
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Post by sweeney on Apr 10, 2009 12:00:33 GMT
Your away with the wind Tubbs.. Paisley inherited a great side. Ferguson inherited a miss match side of part time playboys and alcoholics and it took him a few years to sort it out and introduce the young talent. In Paisleys day all you had was a few sides like Arsenal/Leeds and they were second rate. There was nothing in the First division at that time could even give the a game. To keep a side on top for so many years at this level and with the pressure of overpaid superstars (Most of them clowns) takes a special breed of manager. Paisley never had anything like the resolve or man management skills that Ferguson has.. Example: Roy Keane.
He was in a pub at 2am in the morning and alegedly glassed a girl. In an interviev the following morning with an ITV reporter Fergusion said that when the training session was over he would deal with Mister Keane. He suddenly he wasn't Roy anymore. Roy Keane was never in a Pub at 2am again. Note the difference with David O'Leary when at Leeds.. When Woodgate and Boyer kicked a lad half to death at the same time in the morning O'Leary told reporters that they were innocent to proved guilty. Within A couple of years that great Leeds side and David O'Leary faded into oblivion. Ask yourself which way Ferguson or Paisley would have handled the same situation. Paisley was too nice a guy.. There would be no contest ........No Way Tubbs.. You are looking at the picture through rose colored glasses.. And I am A Gunners Fan.............Gerry.
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Post by Tubbs on Apr 10, 2009 18:49:44 GMT
Ferguson inherited a miss match side of part time playboys and alcoholics and it took him a few years to sort it out and introduce the young talent. I take it the alcaholic part is aimed at Paul Mcgrath? One of the best central defenders in Europe at the time?  I think that was an exaggeration about Woodgate/Boyer too...i wouldn't say he was kicked half to death...in relation to Dave O'Leary...well he had to spend to try and bring success, and he failed...like many before him!! One would be foolish to say Ferguson wasn't a great manager...i just, personally, don't think he is the best "ever" manager. Kieran, i too agree that if Messi continues to play like he is then in a few years he will be up there with the best...no doubt.....just not yet, obviously as he is still young. Good discussion lads!! An obvious difference of opinions. Tubbs.......trying to get out of the wind with his rose tinted glasses on.  |
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Post by doricvision on Apr 10, 2009 20:25:51 GMT
Great debate Lads but my tuppence worth is, having been a Scout for an English side some years ago ,that Alex Ferguson is the undisputed best ever ''Manager ''. He took a provincial club like Aberdeen and won titles and cups north of the border and beat Real Madrid in the European Cup Winners final.
He then came south of the border and after a sticky start where ,as has been rightly stated above, he had to sort out the boozers and egoists irrrespective of their playing ability he has gone on to lift titles galore both domestically and abroad.
I think where he stands head and shoulders above the other great managers mentioned is in his ability to rebuild his sides seamlessly and to keep producing talented youngsters. Most of the others mentioned only had one great side wheras Alex is probably on his fifth or sixth great side and he has kept collecting trophies whilst building.
His man management skills are second to none ,witness his handling of Cantonagate and the potentially damaging Ronaldo/Rooney sending off saga a few years back.
Nope Lads It's no contest but then again I'm an Aberdeen and Man Utd fan..[oops]
Regards Bigmike
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Post by weegeo on Apr 10, 2009 20:43:46 GMT
weegeo taking the mic off Tubbs and steering into the wind
Just to take the wind out of this a little bit [wee joke there] to announce SAF as the best `ever` manager is just a little too much for me, i am sure that no one at M.U would ever dream of saying that Ferguson was better than Sir Matt Busby who after all brought his team back through traumatic time and made them the best in europe.
A comment was made about overpaid players hmmm let`s ask ourselves what footballer is worth 50,000 up to 100,000 a week for kicking a ball up and down a field. On the moral side in a time of deep recession is this fair.
Bob Paisley has been mentioned and he was without doubt in a class of his own in that particular time band. I personally don`t think he was as good as Bill Shankly.
Last but not least the lad Messi is a great player as are the other players in the game now BUT would they have stood a chance against `chopper Harris ,Norman Hunter ,Nobby Stiles and of course Billy Bremner personally i think not and for me therein lies the reason why there are no successors to Pele, Charlton, Law and most of all Bestie
so keep playing lads they will make a name for themselves but i don`t think they will become `legends`
weegeo-----------------throwing a lifejacket to Tubbs and now sailing down wind lol lol
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Post by weegeo on Apr 10, 2009 20:47:22 GMT
I think where he stands head and shoulders above the other great managers mentioned is in his ability to rebuild his sides seamlessly and to keep producing talented youngsters
I thought this lad was transfered in from abroad and therefore wouldn`t have been produced by SAF perhaps i`m wrong and i may stand to be corrected
weegeo
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Post by Tubbs on Apr 11, 2009 11:30:29 GMT
I think also it is worth mentioning that it took a while for SAF to win anything with Man U....and nearly getting the sack in the process!! Now some would say it took him this long to build up the team, fair enough....but also in this time frame he was given access to large amounts of cash to do his thing. Without Leeds first showing his talent, Cantona would never have gone there, Brian Clough made Roy Keane the player he was, Mark Hughes was already a class player when bought back from Barcelona....all Utd legends and all bought!! In fairness to him too he is a master in grooming young talent, but producing 4 or 5 good players through the ranks and then getting out the cheque book for the rest doesn't merit being classed King. What he did with Aberdeen was amazing though.  He is a class manager, not the best in my view though, and not the Messiah as portrayed by some. Tubbs.......hoping to smash the transfer market in buying weegeo for £150 million. ;D |
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Post by sweeney on Apr 13, 2009 16:44:41 GMT
Well done everyone! Constructive Debate. ""On These Things Shall I Dwell""
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Post by weegeo on Apr 19, 2009 22:47:57 GMT
Well i think 2 `big questions`have been answered over the past week both the managers that have been in the `press`recently have both lost out heavily. Mr Benitez lost to Chelsea in a brilliant game midweek and Mr Ferguson`s penalty curse continues the question now is who is the greatest manager??
Well done to Chelsea and Everton and i think it will make for a great FA Cup final
weegeo---------------------Chelsea fan for 50 years in the corner laughing his head off lol lol lol lol
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Post by freeway on Apr 20, 2009 0:43:14 GMT
weegeo are you really a "Blues " fan ? well if so great to have you onboard Im not alone here after all ;D been one myself for well not quite 50 years yet but Id say about 30 years used to live in West London and went to most of the home games as a nipper......yes should be a good final ...Everton didnt play too well today Id say their tactics went out the window today when they saw the Utd teamsheet...but on their day their a decent side ....think Fergie was confident of reaching the final with the "kids"Im all for blooding young players but the semi final of the FA Cup one or two maybe but ....anyway it backfired on him now they could end up with maybe and I say maybe just the Premiership this season ;D |
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