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Post by rainbow on Sept 4, 2009 7:39:39 GMT
Hi John, Thanks again for introducing me to those fabulous East West Quantum Leap sounds. Now, I have no musical training and play guitar and synths purely by ear. I have no understanding of midi files or how to assign them to different tracks/instruments and so I use downloaded midi files instead, if I want to do a cover song, and import them into GarageBand which splits the midi file into seperate tracks. I can build up my own arrangements, again by ear, by substituting the original instruments to other instruments of my choosing and I can effectively build my own individual arrangement ... usually bass, drums, choral backing etc and then I build up a complete song/tune by playing software instruments using the m-audio controller keyboard which are midi tracks or synth/guitar tracks which are real audio. Then I do a final mix and adjust volumes and panning etc and render the final mix to iTunes and convert to final mp3 to upload to the forum. Both Barry and I use the Sonic Cell and we each approach it in a slightly different way. I don't use it to gig with so I'm not using it for midi files. Instead I use it as an interface primarily alongside GarageBand as my DAW and I can plug guitar in to direct record or add vocal or synths/modules via mixer and I can play the Sonic Cell's Fantom sounds via midi connection. So having spent a lot of time listening to the EWQL demo mp3s and tuition vids and being really impressed with their quality, my first question is can these sounds be assigned to my DAW ie GarageBand as plug ins? I have been able to extend the range of instruments available in GarageBand by purchasing expansion packs from AMG and they are improved quality compared to many of the original GarageBand instruments but they are no where near the quality of the EWQL sounds. As I say, I have no musical training and am pretty much ignorant of musical terminology or key signatures or such. However, by spending quite some time with the tuition vids on the EWQL site I can appreciate what legato means and how important it is to use that option for guitar sounds and especially,along with the mod wheel, the vocal sounds in 'Symphonic Voices' and 'Voices Of Passion' although I cannot see how the switching functions are accessed. Also with the Goliath virtual instrument there are no tuition vids and no real interface details to help understand how that works,despite the tantalising list of available instruments ... can this be used as a plug in? I have lots of other questions ... can you download a pdf version of the manual to get a better idea how these sounds can be accessed and used within a DAW like GarageBand? I appreciate your time and expertise and hope to learn more thro' this thread and I have a feeling that Barry may be asking a few questions too. Many thanks John. Best regards ... Rainbow:)
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Post by JohnG on Sept 4, 2009 10:30:07 GMT
Hi Rainbow, If you go, for instance, to the Complete Composer's edition web page and scroll right down to the bottom, you'll find a compatibility chart. It gives GarageBand v3 as a compatible sequencer. Reading through my manual it states that a Mac should be running on OS 10.4 with a minimum of G4 1Ghz and 1GB of RAM, but preferably a core 2 duo with 2GB. However you need to check on the appropriate page of each instrument where you'll see a tab for "System Requirements." It works best on a system with 2 HDDs. One for the operating system the 2nd for the sample library. The plugin (yes that's what is provided) called Play, is loaded and then you assign instrument articulations to the 16 channels. You can open multiple copies of the Play plugin (if your sequencer allows it) and continue assigning instrument articulations to as many tracks as you have, your sequencer will allow, the power and memory of the computer will allow. The Play applet provided can be run stand-alone or as a plugin (e.g. a VSTi). This means it can be played via a keyboard or used as an instrument(s) within a sequencer. To use the samples you will have to understand a bit about music, but you could just load each sample, one-by-one and try them out to understand what each one does. Then you will gradually learn more about articulations. Keyswitches are again not rocket science. They are a way of instructing the Play instrument, if I can call it that, to swap from one articulation, of the multi-sample loaded into memory, to another. It is done in the main, by entering a note in the sub-bass area of a MIDI file, i.e. well outside the normal instrument's range, just before the required articulation plays an actual note. They are usually in the area C0, C#0 etc. up to C1 or so depending on the number of articulations provided in the keyswitch. So for instance if we look at the Solo Violin Keyswitch named SVL Keyswitch C0-A0, it has the following: C0 Legato C#0 Vibrato sustain soft D0 Vibrato expressive 1 D#0 Vibrato expressive 2 E0 Vibrato expressive crescendo F0 Slur F#0 Non-vibrato soft G0 Non-vibrato hard G#0 Non-vibrato sustain hard A0 Vibrato sustain, cresc. on release So it is necessary to enter a very short note at one of the above notes just before you want to change articulations from one to another. OR you can have multiple solo violin tracks, each one assigned to a different channel in the Play plugin, each plugin channel having a different articulation loaded into it. Does that make sense? HTH JohnG
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Post by JohnG on Sept 4, 2009 12:12:19 GMT
Hi Rainbow,
If you'd like to send me your e-mail address I could post the links to some pdfs on 4shared?
JohnG.
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Post by rainbow on Sept 4, 2009 13:01:00 GMT
That's great John I'm OK with the latest version of GarageBand and, when I can get familiar with it's usage, I'll be able to use Logic Studio (version 8). I've got 2 seperate HDDs that I could use but I'm using current version of the iMac 24" running OSX 10.5.2 intel core duo with 4GB RAM & 1TB memory, so all that is compatible I believe ... I found the chart you refer to yesterday when I was checking out the composer bundle. Yes I would like to use the the Play function as both a plug in to assign some of those lovely instruments where I've imported a midi and, if they are accessable in the usual selection window where I chose existing instruments, then I can work happily with that ... also I'd like to use my m-audio controller to play those instruments directly ... especially the 'Voices Of Passion' set ... absolutely gorgeous. Now, thanks for explaining about midi/keyswitching but I can't get my head around that part yet ... sorry, it's not your explanation ... just my limited understanding ... at the moment:) I'm just going to send you a pm with e-mail address to take up your kind offer of the pdf links and I'll spend a good while with them before asking further questions ... many thanks for the help John Best regards ... Rainbow:)
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Post by rainbow on Sept 5, 2009 19:25:10 GMT
Hi John and Barry ... here's a link to an American Japanese guy who has just purchased the Complete Collector's Collection but minus the Piano collection and plus the Fab Four option. He's a bit enthusiastic but bear with it, there are 10 video demos of this collection ... just snippets but you get a pretty good idea of what it's like to play some of the options: torley.com/east-west-quantum-leap-complete-composers-collection-reviewHope it works OK Still reading btw John Cheers ... Rainbow:)
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Post by Tiny on Sept 6, 2009 11:10:41 GMT
WOW !!!!!! is he good or what!!!
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Post by JohnG on Sept 6, 2009 12:30:24 GMT
Is he ENTHUSIASTIC or what? How many thousands of hours has he put into practising? What a great demo, eh? JohnG
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Post by freeway on Sept 7, 2009 0:35:46 GMT
Thanx Graham for the link... ......pretty amazing samples ok geez he's a whizz kid on those keys eh ...looking forward to hearing some more later this week ....regards Barry
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Post by JohnG on Sept 9, 2009 6:54:46 GMT
Thanks guys for posting movies and going on about how good this is. All the enthusiasm has made me get some dosh from my savings account and give it to East West. I received this in this morning's post: Dear John Garside, Thank you for your order. Please visit us again soon. with what?Invoice: Complete Composers Collection - PLAY Edition - Customize Options: Instrument 1: EW-185 — Quantum Leap Silk Instrument 2: EW-188 — EastWest/Quantum Leap Pianos Gold Edition Instrument 3: EW-182 — Symphonic Choirs - PLAY Edition Instrument 4: EW-176 — Quantum Leap Goliath Instrument 5: EW-175 — Quantum Leap Stormdrum 2 Instrument 6: EW-174 — Voices Of Passion Instrument 7: EW-181 — Quantum Leap RA - PLAY Edition I'M BLAMING IT ALL ON YOU! Thanks a bunch. JohnG.
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Post by freeway on Sept 9, 2009 7:04:46 GMT
Oh to be rich well done John that should keep you occupied for a few years now eh ;D might follow suit myself actually but with a slightly more moderately priced package though ....... Barry
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Post by JohnG on Sept 9, 2009 7:18:39 GMT
RICH? Who's that? It's supposed to be savings for my retirement in a couple of years. You have to take most of the blame you know Barry! You and Rainbow. On a more serious note, I listened to the tutorial on The Fab Four set and was really knocked out by some of the sounds on it. I've also just ordered a copy of Windows XP x64 to run on my rebuilt DAW. Alongside a bargain priced copy of Sonar 7 Producer Edition with a decent sized PC I'm hoping I can render some pretty lifelike large orchestral sounds. All the best, JohnG.
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Post by rainbow on Sept 9, 2009 12:32:11 GMT
I'm only pleased that I can be of service John ;D ;D ;D I registered with the EWQL forum this morning and have posted a list of questions to satisfy myself that I'll be able to work with the interface in the way I envisage and also to check out the issue of whether or not you have to be using a full 88 key controller to work with the key switches/articulations. Also will it work OK with GarageBand? I know it'll work fine with Logic but I've yet to learn how to use that DAW yet. Will post feedback when I get it Anyway, congrats on your purchase and I wish you hours of fun Best regards ... Rainbow:)
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Post by rainbow on Sept 11, 2009 6:46:50 GMT
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Post by JohnG on Sept 11, 2009 7:30:22 GMT
Hi Graham,
Great stuff isn't it? Notice how the keyswitches are almost always at the bottom of the keyboard (the blue notes)? They only shift up towards the top end of the keyboard when the instrument plays in the bottom octave, e.g. contrabass. Notice too how the very top octave is very rarely used (the notes are kinda greyed out)? So you could probably get away with a 76 note keyboard and shift its range so that it covers octave C0 upwards.
My lot arrived yesterday and I registered all the packs of DVDs onto the iLok key. Now I need to rebuild the DAW. I ordered a copy of XP x64 a few days ago and another 4GB of RAM to bring it up to 8GB. Reading the specs that came with the pack I realise that my 2Ghz Core 2 Duo ain't gonna "cut the mustard" so I shall have a look at processor prices and look for either a 3Ghz Core 2 or a slower Core 4.
I haven't had this much fun building, dismantling and rebuilding a PC for ages! Crikey, more than ten years.
Anyone need a Core 2 Duo 45nm, hardly used, one careful owner, sensibly driven at less than 1 million instruction per second?
JohnG.
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Post by rainbow on Sept 11, 2009 11:29:01 GMT
From my initial enquiries over on the EWQL forum it would seem that even a 49 key controller with octave up/down switches as per my existing m-audio controller may well be fine ... if not I'll use my Fusion synth set to C0 upwards. I'm fairly sure that my recently purchased iMac 24" CD2 with 2.66 GHz processor; 4GB RAM and 1TB memory (down to 750 GB with Logic Studio loaded) though I thought it high end at the time, only about 3 months ago, will just about scrape by and I'm hoping will cut the mustard. Nice to meet up with you over there on the EWQL forum btw John ... it's a bit of a different environment ... but they seemed to welcome a complete amateur OK ... me that is, not you ;D ;D
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